Momfuel & Mindset - SEASON 2: The Program That Changed Everything.

In this episode, we sit down with Denise Walsh, creator of the 90 Day U-Turn Program. This conversation is especially meaningful because 90 Day U-Turn is where we first met. It’s where our friendship began, our personal growth took off, and many of the pieces that shaped the lives we have today started falling into place.

For us, 90 Day U-Turn was so much more than just another program. It challenged us, stretched us, and equipped us with the mindset shifts, accountability, and tools that continue to impact how we show up in our homes, relationships, health, and purpose.

This conversation truly feels like a full-circle moment. In many ways, we’re not sure this podcast would even exist without the impact 90 Day U-Turn had on our lives.

Join us as we talk with Denise about the heart behind the program, the transformation it has created for so many, and why this conversation means so much to us.

Learn about 90 Day U-Turn Here https://90dayuturn.com/
Connect with Denise Here https://www.facebook.com/thedenisewalsh

Transcript

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We're back. It's your mom friends. I'm Chrissy. And I'm Jess, and we are just two moms passionate about helping women fuel their minds, care for themselves, strengthen their relationships, and create lives they truly love.

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Each week we bring you honest conversations, practical tools, inspiring stories, and real life strategies to help you navigate motherhood, marriage, personal growth, and everything in between.

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Whether you're listening while folding laundry, sitting in the school pickup line, or finally enjoying a few quiet minutes to yourself, we're so glad you're here.

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So grab your coffee, take a deep breath, and let's dive into today's episode.

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Today we have a special guest who I would like to say is special to both Chrissy and I, and we will dive into that story. But we would like to bring you Denise Walsh. Denise, would you share with us a little bit about who you are, where you're from, and what you do?

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. My name is Denise. My 30-second commercial is that I'm a former clinical psychologist turned entrepreneur. Something I never expected. I really never knew anything about entrepreneurship before I said yes. In fact, I got into clinical psychology because I was a counselor at camp working with inner city foster kids. And after seeing their growth at camp, you know, they came to camp with their head down and their, you know, shoulders droopy and they really didn't know how awesome they were. And throughout our time together, I saw them stand up straight and give eye contact and their confidence started to grow. And I thought, this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to help people know just how awesome they are. And so I got my master's in clinical psychology. You know, got my first job. I was off to change the world and quickly felt burnt out, overworked, underpaid, and started to look at other options. And that's when entrepreneurship, network marketing, and creating my coaching, my own coaching programs came to be.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

So I was thinking about this this morning before we got on this call. I have known Denise or known of Denise for it's like 17 years now. Yeah, it is crazy. It was D, I want to say Deegan was it's okay, 15 years because Deegan was two, maybe three, when I kind of became aware of network marketing and it works. And so that's kind of where, and I just happened to be on Denise's team. So for anybody listening who, and I know we have some listeners who were involved in that world with me and know of my journey in network marketing. And um, I was on Denise's team. So I and her sister Lisa. So these people became a part of my life from afar. And and finally I went to an event and we got to meet and take pictures. And so Denise in my world was like a celebrity. Like I love like I loved following her and I loved everything that you created, everything that you spoke about, the all of the trainings, like and and network marketing for me was very much a personal development journey. I didn't care so much about the products themselves. I cared about the person you became. And network marketing for me was very much the birth of like, wow, like we're we're supposed to grow. We're supposed to feed into ourselves, we're supposed to work on ourselves. And so that's where my journey with Denise started. I went through a season of life where I was focusing solely on myself and where I was in life. Um, and our listeners are well aware that, you know, my marriage was in shambles. I was not, I was at my worst, I guess you could say. And Denise shared about 90-day U-turn. And so I would see this like 90-day U-turn, come join our 90-day U-turn. And I was like, what is this? And and at that point in my life, I chose to invest in myself in every way possible. I knew that I didn't want to be this person anymore. And I needed to work, I needed to start with me because I had tried to change everybody else around me, and that didn't work. And so I needed to start and I looked inward. And so I found I reached out and I was like, okay, what's 90-day U-turn? I think I need it. Um it was a life-changing program for me. I have a couple questions for Denise.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

But I was also part of AWORS, but I was not on Denise's team. I was on a completely different team, and it was 90-day U-turn. Well, I've always like kind of secretly followed Denise because you two are a celebrity in my eyes. I just look after you. And the fact that you were a clinical psychologist and I am very much in that world. I've been in that world for many, many years, not clinical psychology, but therapy, social work, those types of things. So I really felt like connected in that sense. And so when I learned about 90-day U-turn, which I don't want to give away too much, I want you to be able to speak about that, Denise. But I I believe that that was really the pivot for me and why I was able to really kind of heal from past stuff and allow myself grace on things that I was holding myself really to a higher standard. And I always felt like I was coming up short. And just the way that you work with people through that program was something I didn't know that I needed until I went through it. And then the retreat. Oh my goodness, I'm gonna have you talk about your retreats too. I don't want to give away too much. Tell us about 90 U-turn, tell us about your coaching stuff, tell us all the things.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Well, what I found in network marketing is, you know, I'm a therapist and I started network marketing on the side, like most people do. So I had my full-time job and then nights, weekends, I was working my business. And I found myself being like, you know, talking about people with self-harm and divorce and, you know, cutting and like I was leading trauma programs and anger management, which was a very feisty group, and you know, all these things, I was like in this world, and then I'd be like, Would you like some raps? And so it was it was a bit of a dichotomy, but I found that number one, my business gave me energy. My business was it was something where I could I found I was actually doing some of the things I was doing at work with these people who wanted to start their own business because they'd say to me, I want to start my own business, I want to get out of debt, I want to get a new job, I want to quit my job, I want to XYZ. And then as soon as they said yes, they'd freak out and they'd go, Bah, well, I don't really actually want to do something different. And then they would shrink back to what they understood, even if it was harmful or they didn't like it, or they was, you know, didn't really want to be where they were. It was scarier to change. So while I'm working in my therapy world and I'm working with these new distributors who tell me one thing and do another, I thought it's kind of the same thing. I am now looking at this new distributor saying, all right, so you say this, you know, you're saying you want to get out of debt, you want to build your business, but you're not willing to post. Or you, you know, you're saying one thing, but yet you're self-sabotaging. And so I found that I was utilizing my goal setting, time management, the identity piece that I was doing in my therapy world with the healing journey and all of the stuff all the things with my distributors. And and I think that's one reason why our team, it wasn't just about sales, you know, we really did feed into each other and we grew and we became, you know, we were united and we cheered each other on and it was so much fun. And then eventually I was like, not everybody wants to like be in network marketing, but everybody needs this information. So how do I package it in a way that you don't need to be a business owner to benefit? And and 90 Day U-turn was born, and it really came out of, you know, 15, 20 years of the therapy work, but then also working with these new business owners that often would self-sabotage. And I I I figured out the things that I was doing with my team and with my clients again and again and again and again, and put it into a 12-week program.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

That I mean, that 12-week program was just amazing. And for someone that's been in school her entire life and felt like I could teach a lot of the stuff, teaching it and actually working the program are two completely different things. Yeah. And so that was huge for me.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Yeah, no, you're right. It's you we can say the things, but actually creating the space to do the exercises yourself. And everything within the program I've done myself. I've done it with Tony Robbins or in my clinical days or Jack Canfield or John Maxwell. It's like all this stuff woven together. And everybody needs to have the space to work through this stuff every few years. I feel like we all pivot every few years. And this is a really great time to be like, all right, what do I want next? You know, and and work through that clarity.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

It was a complete perspective change. Like Chrissy said, I had been in that personal development world for years, but I still found myself self-sabotaging in my relationships as a mom in business. And it wasn't until I hit this kind of, I don't know if maybe taking the business aspect away from it and having it truly just be about myself that I got so much out of it. It was, it just, it was a perspective shift. Like I knew the info, but when I applied it finally directly to my life through these exercises week after week, that it was like, my gosh, I talk about in this, I've talked about it with our listeners. I talk about it in the reconnect room, that there was a I can like remember sitting at my desk, going through one of the activities, meeting on the call, bawling because I was the crier because I'm the emotional one, and having this moment where I was just like, that's it. Like I got it. I got the shift, I got the perspective change. And I remember sharing with everybody that like I had waited, I had been waiting for my husband to do and be all of these things. And then all of a sudden it was like, but I'm not doing or being all these things. And it was like just in that moment, holy crap, like I got it. And that 90-day U-turn will be forever something that is priceless to me because it changed my whole life. Yeah, for sure. And one of those people that got to sit and listen to me ball my eyes out became one of my best friends. I wrote down, you never know where the relationships could go. So something that started so long ago because I said yes to this silly little rat business that brought in some incredible people in my life. Your sister Lisa helped, she was a part of my transformation. She helped coach me nutritionally. I learned so much about nutrition from her, like having her in my life, having you in my life, this 90-day U-turn, and then ultimately meeting Chrissy because of it. Now look at us here in 2026 on a podcast that we I never we would never have a podcast, like just to see things come full circle. You just never know how one connection ultimately can change your life years down the road.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah. I tried several different iterations of 90-day U-turn before we land, before I landed on it. I did a couple workshops that were like three hours long. I did a full-day event. I did e-course where I'd be like, good luck, have fun, go do it on your own. And what I found is that people don't do it on their own. And we need a place to talk through it and process through things. That's, I don't know if it's the girl in us or if it's just that's kind of how God made us is we need to actually process through. You can't just think your way through a problem. You have to talk it through. And so the way that we set it up was that you get the content, like you get to learn something. You're not, we're not just chit-chatting here. You're learning something. You have the content that you listen to during the week, but then you write about it within the worksheets and go through that exercise, but then we meet weekly to talk about it and to talk through it. And that's where those aha moments come because you're getting feedback from others and you're actually saying things that you never really would sit say to people that you're not gonna see in the grocery store. And I think that's one reason why 90-day U-turn is so special is because it's a unique group of people who are growth focused, but they're not in your everyday world. So you like can talk about real life stuff, knowing that it's a safe space and you're not gonna run into them. And growth happens there. I think that's the beautiful thing. And then to have the exclamation point of the retreat that you both said yes to is icing on the cake.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

And I know personally I've spoken some things that I've never spoken out loud through that process. And part of it was the safety of the group, too. As you you spoke of Denise, I live in a small community in a very much rural area, and so like everybody knows everybody. And so sometimes I cringe when I post because I know people know me and I'm gonna see them in the grocery store. I'm gonna see this. So vulnerability is not easy for someone like myself, especially when you're a professional in the community in which you live. And so being surrounded by growth-minded people, I don't like to say I I mean I like like-minded people, but growth-minded people because we're all on our own journeys, but we're all looking for growth, be knowing I'm not gonna run them in into them in the grocery store. They don't know where I work or all the things. I'm I'm choosing to share what I want to share. And that for me adds a layer of safety too, which was super helpful for me to go through that process in in the way that I did. But then the icing on the cake was the retreat and being able to like hug people in real time and do the hike and do the white water raft trip that I almost flew out. Uh, do you remember that? I still actually jumped out of an airplane in February, and I and I was just saying like the white water rafting trip was more of a rush for me than jumping out of an airplane at 10,000 feet.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

So they're called dream life adventures for a reason. But you're right. I think it is. It's the growth focus, it's the intentionality. We do breakout rooms, so you're not necessarily having to share in front of 20 people. Uh, you can share in front of one person, and but then you get to know people throughout the group. So you weren't paired with the same person for the entire program. You really got to know people within. And what happened is I started with 90-day U-turn, and then I had people go, Well, how can I do what you do? And I was like, I don't, I don't know. Like, I've been doing this for so long, I don't know what I do. I just do it. So I had to think, all right, well, what are the clinical skills behind like the why behind the why? Why do I ask these questions? What are the the the little patterns I'm picking up on? How do I get people out of extremes into, you know, the I call it like the gray area, but it's really what's probably gonna happen, what's real, like staying grounded versus catastrophizing and things. And so I then created the clinical skills, which is um a lot of the family dynamics and the things that you're as a coach, you're listening for. You're not necessarily teaching or saying to your clients, but you know to pick up on it. And so after 90-day U-turn and people were like, How do I do that? I thought, I don't know, let's figure this out. And so we created the clinical skills with the goal of giving coaches the meat and potatoes of what to do with clients. Not just the theory, but the here's what to do, here's what to say, here are what exercises you can go through, here's a library of ideas that you can pull from when it matches your clients' needs. And both of you guys excelled in that program. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Thank you. I was chatting with a friend the other day who uh she was sharing a situation that she was going through. And I found myself talking to her through recognizing patterns, recognizing this like worst case scenario thinking that she was going through. And so I started sharing these things with her, and I was like, okay, well, let's look at this, like what's real? What's you know? And she said to me, You're telling me not everybody thinks like this. And I was like, everybody needs this work. Everybody, if we think, even if you think that this thought process is normal, like there's room for growth. And so just creating that awareness that like I don't want to, oh my gosh, I do find myself thinking worst case scenario. Or, you know, I do when I first moved out here with my kids, it was like Deegan wanted to go to the river and go fishing. And I found myself like envisioning all the worst things going wrong. Like, my gosh, did he get down there? Okay, did he fall in the river? Did he like all of these things? And I'm like, Jessica, you've gotta get no, we should not be thinking like that. Those we have to take those thoughts captives. And so when I shared this with her, she was like, Where have you been? Like, where have you been all my life? Like, why am I just now realizing that like not everybody thinks this way? She goes, I just assume, which is probably why me and my spouse are constantly like this, because he does not think like that. And he thinks that I'm over-generalizing, over, you know, making a mountain out of a molehill. And so I started to, I was like, Yes, we can work through these kinds of situations. And so the awareness that so many people are lacking in that the way that their thoughts are controlling their actions, which is controlling their relationships with themselves and other people. And so there's, I love how you talk about the community piece. You know, Chrissy and I, we both have groups, we both have programs. Um, yeah, so all three of us here have opportunities for women to come into to work on themselves, to love themselves, to grow, to change their perspective, to just create awareness to the fact that my my emotions and my thoughts don't have to run my actions, which in tr in turn is, you know, playing a huge part in where their life is right now. And I don't think out of fear, out of shame, out of like Chrissy said, being a professional in her community, that fear of like I being vulnerable and opening up isn't something that I'm totally comfortable with. How many people, how many women, how many listeners struggle to say yes to join something? I know group coaching is something that people very much struggle with. Like, I don't know that I want to talk about this in front of people. And it's like, you need to. If you feel like you can't, that is a sign that you need to talk about this. You need to push yourself, grow yourself because that's where the change happens. This is so true.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

That's one of the weeks, week seven, which every week I'm like, this needs to be first. But you know, you can't have everyone every week be the first week. This is week seven where we talk through the thought traps. And I remember when I created it, I thought, oh, everybody knows this already, you know, because I learned it when I was 22 in my clinical psychology days. So you think, oh, I was like, oh, everybody knows this. This will be boring. Ends up not boring, ends up. This is one of the aha moments of the program. There's there's several pieces of the program that create these aha moments. But week seven with these thought traps is a huge tool that people years later will say, I still use that. I still use that because we still are human. We still have life happen, we still can catastrophize, we still can have, you know, worst-case scenario thinking. And those thoughts impact how we feel, which impacts what we do, which impacts how we sleep, which impacts everything. And so if we can shift that thought pattern, which we do have control over, which is, you know, most people don't realize, you actually can change your thought intentionally and keep it changed, like refocus on it intentionally. That changes how we feel, it changes our anxiety levels, it changes the vibe we're putting out. And then to be able to teach this to our kids. Like this is the game changer. You know, my son is 15, he got a job at Chick-fil-A, which is the cutest thing ever. And when he was going, like he knew he was gonna have a job interview. He came out of school and he goes, Mom, I practiced being friendly and extroverted today. And I was like, Good, like, tell us, tell me how you did it. And he goes, I I walked down the hall and I gave people an eye like eye contact, and then I said hi. And guess what? Everyone said hi back. And I was like, Yes. And he goes, I realize that if they don't say hi, it's probably because they're thinking about something else that's going on and it's not about me at all. And I'm like, all of this work, and he's getting it. So you just think like the reason why we do this work is so we can innately teach our kids and they can get it too.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

It really is that ripple effect, it really is, and it's it's not our first language to think that way to work, you know, to whatever, interact with other people, but it can be our kids' first language. So, and they if we model it, that's one way, and if we teach it, that's another way. So if just understanding that we can do the hard work so it's easier for them, and that's breaking cycles. This is generational. The way that I think, the way that I behave is based largely upon the way that I was raised, and that was largely based upon how they were raised. And so when you figure out, okay, well, this isn't working, you know, I'm unhappy or uh whatever, what's going on? What are you willing to do to change it? And as you make that shift, you're teaching your kids. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

And I think if it were easy to make that shift, we would already be there. But that's why coach we need coaches and we need these like pathways. We need a path to follow. I had somebody say, I knew I needed to heal. I didn't know how. How do I heal? You know, and so going through weeks eight and nine, which are grief and guilt and we've and then resentment, and we've got these exercises that you do that kind of give you that pathway for growth means you don't have to figure it out on your own. You know, you're giving a proven exercise that supports this, helping you to release that onion layer. And then your family does notice. They notice you're you're lighter, they notice you're not as reactive, they notice you're not living at that what eight, nine, or ten and a volcano or you're about to blow, you know, they notice that you can ask, you're asking them questions and you're engaged with them in a different way. And it's because you yourself feel better.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Something that we struggle with is this squirrel brain of we don't want, we jump from thing to thing to thing because when it actually gets difficult and we actually have to do the work and make the change, we're like, oh, well, this isn't for me. So I'm gonna go find that next thing that's going to help me be better, have more understanding, whatever it is, the thing that you're trying to work on. And so we don't actually ever allow ourselves to get to the core of what needs to change and what needs to be done because that first sight of being uncomfortable. So I'm totally guilty. I was I was in a training the other day, and they were talking about like how many freebies are in your email inbox right now because anytime you scroll something, you're like, that's what I need. So I'm gonna download the freebie and I'm gonna do that. And how many of you never open it? How many of you never allow yourself to even get started because you're constantly searching for that next to next thing? And so saying yes to 90 day U turn was probably the first thing in a very long time that I did and stuck with and went through the entire process of. twice. And I think that people sign up for stuff and they just never allow themselves the opportunity to like, okay, I'm gonna do this because that first sight of being uncomfortable is like, oh no, no, this this must not be for me. This isn't the answer I was looking for. And therefore then they keep this constant cycle of searching. The other thing I was thinking was, you know, for me, my son is very much an extrovert. He is very much a people person. That boy doesn't have an ounce of fear or anything when it comes to connecting with people. He is working right now this summer and he loves people. Like and and so to hearing his stories of the way that he's connecting is amazing. And what I find the generational chain that I need to break is not letting my fear, my anxiety change who he is. And so not only is this, you know, this growth journey for me about changing myself, it's it's really allowing my kids to be who they are and allow them to me to aid them, not change them. They don't need to be more like me because I'd like to be a little bit less like me. I need to be more like them in the actions that they have that's like very outgoing. They don't worry about how their actions are going to like they'll sh they'll ask a question and I'm sitting there like what is coming out of their mouth? Please God let it be something that's you know like not that's gonna stress me out. We have to these skills they're watching us. They're growing like that's literally we talk about this all the time on this podcast allowing like our actions speak louder than words. And what are we instilling in these kids because they're going to be adults and we would love to raise emotionally healthy individuals who are able to like you said have this be a first language. We're learning this is a muscle that we're building and we are just we're grinding it out every day, every week trying to become every day is a new opportunity to try again to be better, to make different choices to react differently and our kids are it's never too late to allow this to become a norm in your life so that it becomes the norm in your kids' life and your grandkids' lives. And I think that I would love to see whether you think you need it or not to find your tribe find a community and truly allow yourself to get involved with it. You know, like I said too many sign up and don't do anything. And that is very much a norm. You're not alone in that but the few that do stick it out the few that do allow it to transform their lives that's change. That's where you're gonna look back in 10 years and be like I am a completely different person than I was because I allowed myself to get uncomfortable. I have a question for you. How do you along those same lines of feeling like we need to be looking for something new you've had 90 day u-turn for how many years now? I was just thinking about that.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

I feel like it's been five years. I think I created and I think I first launched it in 2021. I can't believe it's been that long. Yeah and then the certification came in like 2022. Oh how many two how many 90-day U-turn uh groups or whatever do you run a year? It depends. So there were times where I've been there have been seasons where I'm running two or three at a time where I have Tuesday night, Wednesday night and then a Wednesday morning. I also had a men's group recently I had a man say do you work with men and I was like the answer is always yes sure do let's figure this out so I'm not gonna have a man be partnered up with a woman and talk about all this life stuff. So then I had to find a men's group. So I had husbands of coaches that joined and we did a couple rounds of a men's group. So so yeah typically at least one if not up to three at a time just kind of opening the doors every few months to fill up the next one. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

And you have the you how what kind of mindset work have you done or was it just effortless to stay committed to this 90 day you're seeing the results come in. Has any piece of you been like, okay, I need to work on something else or I'm so because that's what I find is that we try to do too much. We try to constantly brand and I love and respect the fact that like you have a proven system that works. You get results people's lives are completely changed and you keep running this program. You keep the doors you don't feel like I need to go over here and do this now or I don't like get driven over here. And this might be me speaking to myself and me. I'm looking for your coaching live on call to tell me that this is what I need what a very interesting question gentlemen.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

I mean I certainly have those moments where I'm like it's a little rinse and repeat for me now it's not hard for me to run which obviously even retreats Alicia my event planner and I could run a treat next week like they're so rinse and repeat for us now which is what you want to get to and it can get a little boring. Right. So what I've learned to do is instead of re like revamping which I could revamp the entire thing at some point make the videos a little smaller like I'm kind of thinking right now like hmm that's a good idea maybe I should at some point I will but I could revamp or create a whole nother course or create a whole nother thing or I could play around with how people find me. And I think that's where my creative juices really go is to the lead generation stuff. So podcasting or a goal getter or you know Facebook ads for the workbook like that is what changes and then the core programs stay the same but that allows me to utilize the creativity and try something new without changing the entire business model. Yeah I love that.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

And I think that we can apply that to every aspect of our life like we don't need to revamp the whole thing. We need to just make little changes minor changes that that help ultimately us move forward in the process no matter what our goals is business related, relationship related household related just as a mom, as a wife anything of the sort we get stuck in our own way because we think that we have to revamp this whole thing and then we don't do anything. And then you know if we're able to do one focus on one small thing or get creative with one thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

I do think that when people are working full-time jobs I know I was there at one point too like you it does it can become a little bit boring. You on you know what to do. You understand the paperwork. So it's it's it gets rinse and repeat and then you think well should I change jobs maybe or maybe pick up a hobby you know get your excitement from somewhere else because there is something to be said about having a business or a a you know a corporate position that feels stable and boring. Right. And I think that that um we can get our spices our needs met in a in a different way without revamping it all. Yeah. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

And then really figuring out like you don't have to change everything overnight. You don't have to work on five, six different things you want to change about yourself. What does life look like if you met your goal? What are you doing? Who are you with? And what is one step to get there without having to do five different things. And then really figuring out what is one thing, Denise, I got this from your program what is one thing that you can do that'll make the biggest impact that'll have a ripple effect in other areas of your life let's start there. And remember 1% every day is still progress. That's another thing I got from your program Denise and so I think sometimes I know for myself I'm a lifelong learner I've been in school my entire adult life I feel like I always have to have every single certification and I need to have all these acronyms and all these things. And at the end of the day what does it even mean? Does it bring me more value? Does it bring me more meaning? And if the answer is no because it was then what am I doing and what will make the biggest impact? What will shift it for me? So I I'm happy I have value in my life like I'm doing the things that I want to do not just to chase another credential right and so I really had to come to terms with that and it was because of your program that I was able to kind of come through that which was interesting because I was actively pursuing my MSW at the time I was doing that.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

And you're like you're already good enough Chrissy right but I didn't have doctoral programs. Yeah anyway yeah so I I love that in the retreats let's just talk a little bit about your retreats do you have a Costa Rica on the calendar what what's looking we don't we don't we uh we're looking at October 2026 or spring of 2027 to get back to Costa Rica. Destin is also a really favorite spot because you can see the sunrise and the sunset you know in the same day and over the water it's beautiful. But Costa Rica is like has a place in my heart we found the best location it two doors down from a pool with a bar and a restaurant like it feels like amenities and then they pick you up and take you we've seen monkeys we go for hikes in the jungle we have we've just we've done ziplining we do a lot of different fun stuff there and it's pretty easy to get to because it's in central time you're just going straight down. So Costa Rica is one of our favorites and and we will put that on the calendar most likely that one would be spring of 2027 goal. That's possible. And do you have to be part of the program to go to the retreat? No no I found that people are more likely to go to retreats if they know the people that are coming you know so getting to know people within 90 day U-turn or the certification program they were more excited to go because they were like oh my gosh we get to meet in person. So I have found that the clients are the ones that typically say yes but I've had people sign up that I did not know and just randomly came and they had no idea what they were getting into, I feel like but the transformation happened and it was it's the cutest thing. You know, you when you see those aha moments and those light bulb moments go, you know, turn on and off. The other thing I will turn on we don't want them to turn off but the other thing I'll just mention is that coaches who come to the retreats actually get a chance to share. So we break up the little activities and the coaches get to share an activity and practice speaking in front of the crowd and leading and facilitating an activity which is really special for them too. Yeah yeah just we get to get another one on our calendar I know we'll already spin in I know I know and I do think that they need to be on your calendar because we it time goes by so fast and if we don't do it a year will go by three years five years and we really haven't poured into ourselves in this way. And then for business owners you know I'm like pictures that we get from these retreats we're still using it's a business write-off to come to these events because not only are you posting about it you're posting about your growth you're learning you're taking it back to your own clients but then you get these pictures that you can use forever.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

It's true we've talked about love we would Chrissy and I would love to host a retreat and you know do something where we could connect and bring some women we could bring them out here out west we could host them there's so much to do hike wise like it reminded us of being in Tennessee because it was very similar to like hiking and we've got the rivers and there's so much to do. So and I do think it's important whether a business owner or not like we the the world is heavy motherhood is tough like life will easily beat you up if and if you're not putting something that's soul filling on your calendar like you right five years ago that would go by and you're like where am I like what does what is this like life is going by in the blink of an eye and am I thriving? Am I enjoying it? Am I whole? Do I love myself? Like all of these questions or are you literally just getting by day by day?

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Do you have an upcoming 90-day U-turn that's going to start that we can share with our listeners or certification program for today and open let's let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

Yeah yeah so the next 90-day u-turn I'm gonna open the doors in July and it'll start end of July or beginning of August. And then the certification program starts around the same time. So basically you do 90-day U-turn first so you can experience the content and then the second round you help facilitate the content. So you coach people that are within the program you pick a few weeks where you're the lead facilitator you send me recordings that kind of thing but they do typically coincide. So July will be because my family's in town now so I feel like I can never do anything while they're here once they leave I'll be back in action and we'll open the doors in July for most likely an August or date.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Friends awesome highly recommend from my perspective I would say if you're looking for something you're not quite ready for therapy because this is not therapy this is coaching. However there's still a lot of healing that happens and it's it's a great space to start that work. So I would you know for the listeners out there thinking about it, considering it look Denise up talk to her ask questions. I don't know if you still do payments like affirm and and karna options like you don't have to pay all of it up front you can do monthly payments is totally totally worth it.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

I often say right life will be the same unless you change it. And so if if in six months you literally could be in a different spot. So much can change in six months if you do something different.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

But if not you'll have you know that same thing same thing over and over definition of insanity right that's right same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So yes thank you Denise for our one last question do you would you have any advice for someone that might be struggling or considering maybe joining their on the fence what would you what would you say to someone that's listening and it's like I kind of want to do it but I don't know if the finances are there but I really want to do it.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

If you could do it if you could shift and change on your own you already would have the community the content the roadmap the belief that is poured into you like so much can change in just a few short weeks if you are intentional about it. And so you know the worst thing that can happen is you have more tools in your toolbox that you can use when life happens because it absolutely will. What what typically happens during 90-day u-turn is people leave with more clarity more vision more excitement and uh and whether it's writing a book or starting a business or really like homeschooling their kids like they're more into whatever they've decided to be into and that takes them on a completely different direction. Yes. Actually Jess and I both put up journals after 90 day u turns I mean we could talk all day about guys you are you are like living proof that takes you in the right direction and it relit your spark and gave you the community to do it with because doing business on your own is kind of lonely. We don't need to be in our office by ourselves in this community it makes such a big difference and I'm so proud of the fact that not only you guys said yes at the beginning but you keep saying yes. You keep showing up for yourself for your clients trying new things. Jess your app is freaking amazing you know this podcast you guys are continuing to create what your clients need and and like you're doing the dang thing. So be proud of everything that you've said yes to and continue to walk the walk.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

Thank you and I will forever be grateful for you Denise and your program. I I know that I did the work but it would I wouldn't have been able to do the work if it wasn't for you and your guidance and your program. Yeah I I held you accountable to make you sure did and and gave space for us to sit with it and understand it.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

You know it's not just I too am forever grateful because it it's still to this day and I still have my binder and I pull it out all the time and I'm like oh what week was this that I need to you know sit with and so it like you said there are there was never a good time there's never a perfect scenario where like okay now the stars are aligned you know I feel good financially in my bank accounts what it needs to be so I can say yes. Like there's never a perfect time and had I not said yes would I be where I am today like like literally I would not be here in Southeast Idaho. My marriage would not be where it is like and so whatever that like just that day that I was like I'm doing this. I probably didn't have the money to I probably didn't have this you know mental capacity to to take on another thing but saying yes truly changed my life and I think that we need to be okay with starting where you are not ready not stars aligned not perfect but just saying yes because it is so worth it and it's something that Chrissy and I both talk about all the time like our lives are forever changed. It's something that we still use today and that we try to use our platforms to speak the same language. Like you have to you need to do this because life's too short like it to not you deserve joy you deserve peace you deserve to understand your thoughts and be able to take control of them. So yeah thank you for saying yes to joining us today we were super appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Thank you thanks for hanging out with us on mom fuel and mindset. If today's conversation spoke to you take it as your reminder that happy moms don't come from doing more they come from choosing themselves and owning their growth and if you loved this episode please be sure to subscribe leave a review and share it with another mom who needs a little fuel and a mindset shift today. Until next time keep showing up for yourself keep growing forward and remember happy moms own their growth see you soon